Voiceattack updated but crashes/fails to start

[Gary]

Sorry.  I meant to delete and merge three posts I had made but clicked the, 'remove topic' button instead.

[Gary]

The last messages were from Zynadyn and myself:

Zynadyn:

There was no error message other then Voiceattack has stopped working. I tried troubleshooting to see if I could find the problem but was unsucessful.

Me:

Can you do me a favor and hold down CTRL + SHIFT when you launch VoiceAttack and then click on, 'disable joysticks' and then click ok?

If that allows VoiceAttack to run, please let me know.

Which version of VA are you running?  Have you tried the beta?  http://www.voiceattack.com/beta

Also, there is a version out in the, 'unofficial' bin that has some additional checking.  May give some insight into what may be going on.  I have seven machines running this version with various versions of Windows.  It's quite difficult for me to reproduce this, however I would like to get to the bottom of it.  It's just the executable.  If you would like to get it and put it in your VA installation folder (usually C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack) you can download it here:  http://www.voiceattack.com/unofficial

[Zynadyn]

Gary, as per your instructions in disabling Joysticks, it allowed voiceAttack to run. I am running the Beta that you had fixed for the other users who were having issues, I then uninstalled the beta and installed the original release 1.5.10 installer and I did the same thing and it worked as well. What is causing this issue ? Thanks.

[Gary]

Well, it's hard to tell.  I'm curious about the dlls that are in your VA install folder.  There should be 3:
VAJS.dll
SharpDX.dll
and SharpDX.DirectInput.dll

Could you look in there and see if they exist?  If they are all there, is it possible for you to zip them up and send them to support@voiceattack.com?  I know this is a lot of work, but something is probably happening in the installation for some.  It could also be system-related issues, as I've helped another person in the support inbox that had bad system files and after fixing them, the software started working again (might have been here, too).  Whatever way is causing issues, I would like to not have VA crash at all but provide some kind of feedback instead

Also, is it possible to try the, 'unofficial' build with the joysticks turned on?  I added some more checking code in there to see if it could at least prevent the all-out crash.

[Zynadyn]

I will as soon as i can, thank you Gary

[arkemiffo]

Thought I'd give all I can here as well.
Just installed .10, and it crashes as soon as I start it.
The errormessage refers to 3 files, one seems to be binary so I can't post it here, but this is the other 2 files anyway. Hopefully it'll do some good.

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-16"?>
<WERReportMetadata>
<OSVersionInformation>
<WindowsNTVersion>6.1</WindowsNTVersion>
<Build>7601 Service Pack 1</Build>
<Product>(0x1): Windows 7 Ultimate</Product>
<Edition>Ultimate</Edition>
<BuildString>7601.23418.amd64fre.win7sp1_ldr.160408-2045</BuildString>
<Revision>1130</Revision>
<Flavor>Multiprocessor Free</Flavor>
<Architecture>X64</Architecture>
<LCID>1033</LCID>
</OSVersionInformation>
<ProblemSignatures>
<EventType>CLR20r3</EventType>
<Parameter0>VoiceAttack.exe</Parameter0>
<Parameter1>1.5.10.0</Parameter1>
<Parameter2>57896797</Parameter2>
<Parameter3>SharpDX</Parameter3>
<Parameter4>2.6.0.0</Parameter4>
<Parameter5>536dce2d</Parameter5>
<Parameter6>a49</Parameter6>
<Parameter7>14</Parameter7>
<Parameter8>SharpDX.SharpDXException</Parameter8>
</ProblemSignatures>
<DynamicSignatures>
<Parameter1>6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1</Parameter1>
<Parameter2>2057</Parameter2>
<Parameter22>0a9e</Parameter22>
<Parameter23>0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789</Parameter23>
<Parameter24>0a9e</Parameter24>
<Parameter25>0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789</Parameter25>
</DynamicSignatures>
<SystemInformation>
<MID>F3A4954C-BD78-44EB-A6B7-4979CD7E87A2</MID>
<SystemManufacturer>System manufacturer</SystemManufacturer>
<SystemProductName>System Product Name</SystemProductName>
<BIOSVersion>3404</BIOSVersion>
</SystemInformation>
</WERReportMetadata>

and

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[Gary]

Would you be willing to try the current beta?  I just put it out there:

http://www.voiceattack.com/betainstaller

or

http://www.voiceattack.com/betazipped

[Zynadyn]

Gary, i installed the installer and it works just fine with joysticks enabled...no clue why it is now functioning, will try a profile to see if it still wants to work.

[Gary]

Is this the new beta?

Please say its the new beta.

My hair will thank you.

[Zynadyn]

It's actually not the Beta, but the 1.5.10 installer. I'll try the Beta to save you some hair..lol

[Zynadyn]

Beta works as well Gary

[Gary]

Lol

Thanks for the info and doing all this.  I'm losing my mind... it's like files are not getting copied.  There's only a few files... you'd think that would be simple, right?

[Zynadyn]

I hear Ya. Well anything to help...say the word. Thanks for your efforts.

[TheThingIs]

my VA started crashing again yesterday and seems to be getting worse. It now crashes within 5 mins of running it, even when I'm editing. I had this when installing the new version but a complete wipe and reinstall seemed to fix it. It started again yesterday, I have not changed or installed anything

is there any log file or anything I could give you? all I get is VA has stopped working, no info or reason

I'll try the latest beta and report back

..

updated to 10.3 and it was better, lasted for about an hour with me editing and testing a profile before it crashed. I noticed in the changlog that there was a bug with duplicate commands. I have actually just done a big update to my profile which changes all my commands to use wildcards so there is a chance that I do have duplicates somewhere. Is there any easy way to check for this?

--
now crashing every 5 mins again and is pretty unusable at this point

[Gary]

Any chance I could get you to check your Windows event log to see if there is anything in there?

[TheThingIs]

does this help:

Log Name:      Application
Source:        Application Error
Date:          23/7/16 1:58:13 am
Event ID:      1000
Task Category: (100)
Level:         Error
Keywords:      Classic
User:          N/A
Computer:      Office
Description:
Faulting application name: VoiceAttack.exe, version: 1.5.10.3, time stamp: 0x578e490f
Faulting module name: ntdll.dll, version: 10.0.10586.306, time stamp: 0x571afb7f
Exception code: 0xc0000374
Fault offset: 0x000dc7c9
Faulting process ID: 0x2768
Faulting application start time: 0x01d1e47a58e8abcf
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\VoiceAttack.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll
Report ID: 0d8de549-7b5d-45ac-b349-b1c60323ba6f
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Application Error" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="0">1000</EventID>
    <Level>2</Level>
    <Task>100</Task>
    <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2016-07-23T00:58:13.531404700Z" />
    <EventRecordID>62357</EventRecordID>
    <Channel>Application</Channel>
    <Computer>Office</Computer>
    <Security />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data>VoiceAttack.exe</Data>
    <Data>1.5.10.3</Data>
    <Data>578e490f</Data>
    <Data>ntdll.dll</Data>
    <Data>10.0.10586.306</Data>
    <Data>571afb7f</Data>
    <Data>c0000374</Data>
    <Data>000dc7c9</Data>
    <Data>2768</Data>
    <Data>01d1e47a58e8abcf</Data>
    <Data>C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\VoiceAttack.exe</Data>
    <Data>C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll</Data>
    <Data>0d8de549-7b5d-45ac-b349-b1c60323ba6f</Data>
    <Data>
    </Data>
    <Data>
    </Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>

[Gary]

This isn't the startup error, right.  This is an error that occurs periodically?  This didn't happen in the previous version?

Do you have joysticks enabled?

What's hard for me to wrap my head around is I believe you were using the, 'unofficial' builds right before the full release, right?  This is almost the same exact code as those builds  o_O

You might have to drop back down to v1.5.8 until I can figure out what's up.

[TheThingIs]

Yes VA starts fine and randomly crashes now. I do have joysticks enabled, I'll try with them off. Yes I have updated with all beta builds as you've released them. This started from when you were only releasing the .exe's. Come to think of it, I have changed joystick from an x52pro to a Warthog about 2 weeks ago. I don't use joystick very often and I only enabled joystick in the latest release 2 days ago. Could be coincidence but I will test with them off.

[TheThingIs]

v...10.6

disabled joysticks and I have not had a crash in over 3 hours of using VA

I shall test now with the joysticks re-enabled as I think you already discovered this as a problem and fixed it in this version.