random shutdown even with plugin support disabled

[grandpamidnight]

I am seeing voice attack shut down randomly even when shutting off plugins.

If I have a profile that has commands that are dependent on a plugin should it still happen?

The fault file is empty so no feedback there.

**Just attempted to run it after the 3.1.1 fdev update and it still crashed.

[Gary]

Not sure what's going on with your setup.  You may want to try doing a system file scan to see if there is something amiss on your machine:  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/929833/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system

Also, you may want to see if your speech profile may be messing up (ignore the title):  http://voiceattack.com/SMF/index.php?topic=64.0

Calling a command that accesses a plugin should just say something like, 'Plugin not available' and will not crash VA.  Do you know for sure that your plugins are disabled?

Do you know how to look at Windows' application log files?  There may be something in there that may help as well.

I don't know what v3.1.1 fdev is... What version of VA/Windows are you running?

[Incurable-Rash]

This is the windows error log I got for the recent random shut down, not sure it this helps

Event 1000 task category 100
Faulting application name: VoiceAttack.exe, version: 1.7.0.15, time stamp: 0x5b295f6f
Faulting module name: ntdll.dll, version: 10.0.17134.112, time stamp: 0xcfe5bd82
Exception code: 0xc0000374
Fault offset: 0x000d8879
Faulting process id: 0x1b7c
Faulting application start time: 0x01d414658a5e6728
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\VoiceAttack.exe
Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll
Report Id: dd2f4809-f754-4613-80c4-3e6e84e12346
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:

Also there is nothing in VoiceAttackFault.txt

[grandpamidnight]

I see the same error you posted plus some errors for audacity. Probably not releated


- <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
- <System>
  <Provider Name="Application Error" />
  <EventID Qualifiers="0">1000</EventID>
  <Level>2</Level>
  <Task>100</Task>
  <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
  <TimeCreated SystemTime="2018-07-05T15:35:51.152881300Z" />
  <EventRecordID>5976</EventRecordID>
  <Channel>Application</Channel>
  <Computer>DESKTOP-HAE92AI</Computer>
  <Security />
  </System>
- <EventData>
  <Data>VoiceAttack.exe</Data>
  <Data>1.7.0.0</Data>
  <Data>5aba07c5</Data>
  <Data>ntdll.dll</Data>
  <Data>10.0.17134.112</Data>
  <Data>cfe5bd82</Data>
  <Data>c0000374</Data>
  <Data>000d8879</Data>
  <Data>724</Data>
  <Data>01d4146915df951f</Data>
  <Data>C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\VoiceAttack.exe</Data>
  <Data>C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll</Data>
  <Data>65575e06-fd58-4888-9878-4f6aed564a7d</Data>
  <Data />
  <Data />
  </EventData>
  </Event>

In the report wer  you see this regardless if plugins are on or off

Version=1
EventType=APPCRASH
EventTime=131752785514268792
ReportType=2
Consent=1
UploadTime=131752785531988733
ReportStatus=268435456
ReportIdentifier=ec00bc84-804b-4c23-be0e-9c1a6bd2dcc8
IntegratorReportIdentifier=65575e06-fd58-4888-9878-4f6aed564a7d
Wow64Host=34404
Wow64Guest=332
NsAppName=VoiceAttack.exe
OriginalFilename=VoiceAttack.exe
AppSessionGuid=00000724-0001-0013-1f95-df156914d401
TargetAppId=W:000625ad2dd0ea42bcfae85cd50770e46e5400000000!000080ed9e4d1fc52039a982567b54258b6db9065420!VoiceAttack.exe
TargetAppVer=2018//03//27:08:58:45!51b08f!VoiceAttack.exe
BootId=4294967295
ServiceSplit=15
TargetAsId=4615
IsFatal=1
Response.BucketId=2fa8bdafd70c0428e4d654462ecf4802
Response.BucketTable=1
Response.LegacyBucketId=1501480186184419330
Response.type=4
Sig[0].Name=Application Name
Sig[0].Value=VoiceAttack.exe
Sig[1].Name=Application Version
Sig[1].Value=1.7.0.0
Sig[2].Name=Application Timestamp
Sig[2].Value=5aba07c5
Sig[3].Name=Fault Module Name
Sig[3].Value=StackHash_3f47
Sig[4].Name=Fault Module Version
Sig[4].Value=10.0.17134.112
Sig[5].Name=Fault Module Timestamp
Sig[5].Value=cfe5bd82
Sig[6].Name=Exception Code
Sig[6].Value=c0000374
Sig[7].Name=Exception Offset
Sig[7].Value=PCH_3A_FROM_ntdll+0x0006A7BC
DynamicSig[1].Name=OS Version
DynamicSig[1].Value=10.0.17134.2.0.0.768.101
DynamicSig[2].Name=Locale ID
DynamicSig[2].Value=1033
DynamicSig[22].Name=Additional Information 1
DynamicSig[22].Value=3f47
DynamicSig[23].Name=Additional Information 2
DynamicSig[23].Value=3f47e7c694297fdd722a97b5a97fc371
DynamicSig[24].Name=Additional Information 3
DynamicSig[24].Value=3604
DynamicSig[25].Name=Additional Information 4
DynamicSig[25].Value=3604804cb89a6dbe9b47c955ac4d72e0
UI[2]=C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\VoiceAttack.exe
LoadedModule[0]=C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\VoiceAttack.exe
LoadedModule[1]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll
LoadedModule[2]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\MSCOREE.DLL
LoadedModule[3]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNEL32.dll
LoadedModule[4]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNELBASE.dll
LoadedModule[5]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\apphelp.dll
LoadedModule[6]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\ADVAPI32.dll
LoadedModule[7]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\msvcrt.dll
LoadedModule[8]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\sechost.dll
LoadedModule[9]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\RPCRT4.dll
LoadedModule[10]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\SspiCli.dll
LoadedModule[11]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\CRYPTBASE.dll
LoadedModule[12]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\bcryptPrimitives.dll
LoadedModule[13]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\mscoreei.dll
LoadedModule[14]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\SHLWAPI.dll
LoadedModule[15]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\combase.dll
LoadedModule[16]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\ucrtbase.dll
LoadedModule[17]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\GDI32.dll
LoadedModule[18]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\gdi32full.dll
LoadedModule[19]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\msvcp_win.dll
LoadedModule[20]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\USER32.dll
LoadedModule[21]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\win32u.dll
LoadedModule[22]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\IMM32.DLL
LoadedModule[23]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\kernel.appcore.dll
LoadedModule[24]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\VERSION.dll
LoadedModule[25]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\clr.dll
LoadedModule[26]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\MSVCR120_CLR0400.dll
LoadedModule[27]=C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\mscorlib\a5805dd044dd9d13b4349c862f767035\mscorlib.ni.dll
LoadedModule[28]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\ole32.dll
LoadedModule[29]=C:\WINDOWS\system32\uxtheme.dll
LoadedModule[30]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\clrjit.dll
LoadedModule[31]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\OLEAUT32.dll
LoadedModule[32]=C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\System\adcfb9565dee28128d5f29da21e33cfe\System.ni.dll
LoadedModule[33]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CRYPTSP.dll
LoadedModule[34]=C:\WINDOWS\system32\rsaenh.dll
LoadedModule[35]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\bcrypt.dll
LoadedModule[36]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\wldp.dll
LoadedModule[37]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\CRYPT32.dll
LoadedModule[38]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\MSASN1.dll
LoadedModule[39]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\WINTRUST.dll
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LoadedModule[46]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\urlmon.dll
LoadedModule[47]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\shcore.dll
LoadedModule[48]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\windows.storage.dll
LoadedModule[49]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\iertutil.dll
LoadedModule[50]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\profapi.dll
LoadedModule[51]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\powrprof.dll
LoadedModule[52]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\FLTLIB.DLL
LoadedModule[53]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\PROPSYS.dll
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LoadedModule[56]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\imagehlp.dll
LoadedModule[57]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\gpapi.dll
LoadedModule[58]=C:\Windows\System32\cryptnet.dll
LoadedModule[59]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\IPHLPAPI.DLL
LoadedModule[60]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WINNSI.DLL
LoadedModule[61]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\NSI.dll
LoadedModule[62]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\shell32.dll
LoadedModule[63]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\cfgmgr32.dll
LoadedModule[64]=C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\System.Xml\cd8239d8018eea89c724d39cad6422a7\System.Xml.ni.dll
LoadedModule[65]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\dwrite.dll
LoadedModule[66]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\WPF\wpfgfx_v0400.dll
LoadedModule[67]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\MSVCP120_CLR0400.dll
LoadedModule[68]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\WPF\PresentationNative_v0400.dll
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LoadedModule[73]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WindowsCodecs.dll
LoadedModule[74]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\wtsapi32.dll
LoadedModule[75]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WINSTA.dll
LoadedModule[76]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntmarta.dll
LoadedModule[77]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\psapi.dll
LoadedModule[78]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\clbcatq.dll
LoadedModule[79]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\Speech\Common\sapi.dll
LoadedModule[80]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\MSACM32.dll
LoadedModule[81]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\msdmo.dll
LoadedModule[82]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\winmmbase.dll
LoadedModule[83]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WINMM.dll
LoadedModule[84]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\MMDevAPI.DLL
LoadedModule[85]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DEVOBJ.dll
LoadedModule[86]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\wdmaud.drv
LoadedModule[87]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ksuser.dll
LoadedModule[88]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\AVRT.dll
LoadedModule[89]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\AUDIOSES.DLL
LoadedModule[90]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\wintypes.dll
LoadedModule[91]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\msacm32.drv
LoadedModule[92]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\midimap.dll
LoadedModule[93]=C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.Net\assembly\GAC_32\System.Data\v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Data.dll
LoadedModule[94]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\WS2_32.dll
LoadedModule[95]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\Speech\Engines\SR\spsreng.dll
LoadedModule[96]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\Speech\Engines\SR\srloc.dll
LoadedModule[97]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\Speech\Engines\SR\spsrx.dll
LoadedModule[98]=C:\Windows\System32\mfwmaaec.dll
LoadedModule[99]=C:\Windows\System32\mfperfhelper.dll
LoadedModule[100]=C:\Windows\System32\Windows.UI.dll
LoadedModule[101]=C:\Windows\System32\TextInputFramework.dll
LoadedModule[102]=C:\Windows\System32\InputHost.dll
LoadedModule[103]=C:\Windows\System32\CoreUIComponents.dll
LoadedModule[104]=C:\Windows\System32\CoreMessaging.dll
LoadedModule[105]=C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.Net\assembly\GAC_32\System.Transactions\v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Transactions.dll
LoadedModule[106]=C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\System.Runteb92aa12#\0cb88aaf2647e687b935543bf4218e18\System.Runtime.Serialization.ni.dll
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LoadedModule[108]=C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\System.Net.Http\c998fa06eb3521e3a309b51a4ce22f94\System.Net.Http.ni.dll
LoadedModule[109]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\rasapi32.dll
LoadedModule[110]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\rasman.dll
LoadedModule[111]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\rtutils.dll
LoadedModule[112]=C:\WINDOWS\system32\mswsock.dll
LoadedModule[113]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\winhttp.dll
LoadedModule[114]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\dhcpcsvc6.DLL
LoadedModule[115]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\dhcpcsvc.DLL
LoadedModule[116]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DNSAPI.dll
LoadedModule[117]=C:\Windows\System32\rasadhlp.dll
LoadedModule[118]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\fwpuclnt.dll
LoadedModule[119]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\dinput8.dll
LoadedModule[120]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\HID.DLL
LoadedModule[121]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\SETUPAPI.DLL
LoadedModule[122]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\secur32.dll
LoadedModule[123]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\schannel.dll
LoadedModule[124]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\mskeyprotect.dll
LoadedModule[125]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ncrypt.dll
LoadedModule[126]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\NTASN1.dll
LoadedModule[127]=C:\WINDOWS\system32\ncryptsslp.dll
LoadedModule[128]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\sxs.dll
LoadedModule[129]=C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\Apps\EDDI\SQLite.Interop.dll
LoadedModule[130]=C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.Net\assembly\GAC_32\System.EnterpriseServices\v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.EnterpriseServices.Wrapper.dll
LoadedModule[131]=C:\Windows\System32\appresolver.dll
LoadedModule[132]=C:\Windows\System32\Bcp47Langs.dll
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LoadedModule[134]=C:\Windows\System32\SLC.dll
LoadedModule[135]=C:\Windows\System32\sppc.dll
LoadedModule[136]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\LINKINFO.dll
LoadedModule[137]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntshrui.dll
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LoadedModule[140]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\policymanager.dll
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LoadedModule[143]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\webengine4.dll
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LoadedModule[145]=C:\Windows\IME\SpTip.dll
LoadedModule[146]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\msxml3.dll
LoadedModule[147]=C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\bass.DLL
LoadedModule[148]=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\dsound.DLL
LoadedModule[149]=C:\Windows\System32\speech_onecore\engines\tts\MSTTSEngine_OneCore.dll
LoadedModule[150]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\Speech_OneCore\Common\sapi_onecore.dll
LoadedModule[151]=C:\WINDOWS\System32\dsdmo.dll
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one last thing the crashes started happening on June 12th 2018. Not sure if it holds any significance

[Gary]

Are you *sure* you are not running plugins or (possibly) inline functions?  If you open up VA's options screen, is the, 'Enable Plugin Support' box checked?  The reason I'm asking is because the loaded assemblies in your list include C:\Program Files (x86)\VoiceAttack\Apps\EDDI\SQLite.Interop.dll, which as you can see involves EDDI in some way. 
If not, is there a particular profile in which the crashing occurs?  If so, is it possible to export that profile, zip it up and send it to support@voiceattack.com?  That way I can look it over and see if there are any inline functions in it that could be messing things up.

You also mentioned, 'Audacity'.  Are you using anything from GameMusicPacks.com?

[Incurable-Rash]

here is the profile I am using when VA crashes. the only part of the profile I am using is garrison cargo and garrison delay.
hope this helps.

[Gary]

I'm not seeing anything particularly suspicious in those two commands.  They do call a lot of subcommands, though.  The subcommands include task killing and app launching, but that shouldn't matter. 

[Incurable-Rash]

the windows shutdown event code and information is the same every time, I will check the SFC but the problem started with the last or this beta update.
I have moved back to 1.7, to see if this problem persists.

[Incurable-Rash]

I have had no crashes with 1.7 with or without plugins.
I did run a SFC /scannow and it corrected some files.
I am going to go back to the latest beta and see if that fixed the problem

I am also having a problem with the computer clock randomly being out of sync with the internet time, which I have it linked to, could that be effecting VA?

[Gary]

That shouldn't affect VA, however, if you are having root system issues, there's no telling what could be going on.

[Incurable-Rash]

Hi Gary

FYI with the release of 1.7.2 the random crashing happened again. It now seems that every time it is upgraded, to a new version, whether its a beta or not, it happens.
I have checked SFC and found no errors, the plugins where not turned on, and there are no registry problems.
This last time, unlike the others, there were no errors listed in either VA or Windows.
The only thing that seems to fix the problem is to do a full and complete uninstall and then re-install the program.
I am not sure where this problem is coming from or that there is anything that can be done, but I thought I would mention it anyway.